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  1. Unread #1 - Jul 19, 2023 at 12:45 AM
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    Scammer's profile link: @ChrisMd
    Amount scammed:120.4m in logs and 300m deposit @0.33 per mil
    Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: 320914948324851712
    Proof that it's their Discord:Screen capture - 08c09786ce9dafa3db18e89f269fb180 - Gyazo
    Explanation of the trade: Refusal to pay out deposit and worker logs for about a year.
    How they scammed: After asking for months and them they refusing to acknowledge I'm owed anything. They removed me from my worker logs where it was documented and I recently found proof of the balance owed. I had a 300m deposit, as well that was documented via the discord server roles. They can check the server roles and channel history. I asked about this sooner than that date in the screenshot, but the evidence of me asking is in my worker log.
    Other people also may have been victim of this. As I have the full database of all the workers logs at the time. I request they post that they actually paid out people and not just buried it like this. Chris can confirm the database is accurate as he was given it when purchasing the server.
    Other relevant trade screenshots:
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    See deleted for full database with deleted worker logs.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Jul 19, 2023 at 12:47 AM
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    My UID in the database: 462440911243051038
     
  5. Unread #3 - Jul 19, 2023 at 2:24 PM
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    https://i.imgur.com/p0Lp7zh.png

    First you claimed for months that you had a deposit when you did not, trying to get paid for something that was not yours. I have blocked out some of the information for security (can give full screenshot to mods in PM) and as you stated in your own message your uid is 462440911243051038 (not present in database)

    Secondly you asked for your logs 3 months after I had already bought Mafioso and switched everything over to a new bot system. You have conveniently left out the rest of our discussion in order to make me look like the bad guy, so I will post the rest of it below

    https://i.imgur.com/rTzYQAY.png
    https://i.imgur.com/5Yt0PjB.png
    https://i.imgur.com/6GdtddT.png
    https://i.imgur.com/8qHkwVQ.png
    https://i.imgur.com/SRSGFk7.png
    https://i.imgur.com/FEdmRvN.png
    https://i.imgur.com/b7sXL3k.png


    Cliffs:

    -Lied about deposit he never had and tried to scam me
    -Didn't try and get paid for his log until 3 months after we had already switched to a new system
    -I extend olive branch and say I will pay even after all this back and forth if he can provide even a scrap of evidence to what he is owed
    -He shows evidence of amount (lower than what he originally was claiming btw) and I agree to pay immediately
    -He instead posts sythe report, again claiming a deposit that isn't his

    As I said in the discord channel when I bought Mafioso I paid out billions to old workers who hadn't been there for years and never stiffed anyone. I have a perfect reputation over many years of reliably paying all workers and refunding all deposits when workers choose to leave. It would be much easier for me to just give in and pay this guy the small amount he is owed, but I don't like being blackmailed
     
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    I never lied about my deposit, it was clearly shown in the worker discord. I had a role that showed what my deposit was before you kicked me from the server. I guessed how much was owed that's why the number jumped around a lot. Because i kept asking for you to check. I said anything from ~150 to ~250 in logs. Since i was kicked i didnt know what it was.

    Also your screenshots are misleading, it doesn't include the months of me asking inside my worker log in the worker discord. that same worker log had the old bot logs showing that I was owed 120.4m & my deposit. You at anytime could have looked in the channel and seen the amount owed to me, yet you kept dragging it out refusing to pay me claiming you had no proof of what was owed.

    Unfortunately I don't have screenshots of the worker channel, but every time I was paid & every time I withdrew money a bot would post an update in the channel. waiting 1yr for GP to half in price and then offering to pay back only my gold owed and not the deposit isnt "extending an olive branch". Once I received proof of the funds owed that you and your team had access to the entire time I gave a timeline for you to resolve this in private and you/your team didn't meet the timeline so I want this resolved in public on sythe.

    I would like to ask you to show the audit log in the worker discord server where you can see what roles I had when you kicked me from it. That would clearly show you what deposit role I had. Additionally I would like to ask you to post screenshots from my worker log inside of the worker server, as this would show that you had access to view my outstanding balance with Mafioso, and the multiple requests I had made to receive my pay & deposit

    Cliffs:
    -you kicked me from the server before i could get any proof.
    -I had to find proof that you had access too even though you claimed you didnt. which you then agreed to pay out only after i showed i also had access to the same logs.
    -I claimed all sorts of amounts because i didnt know what it was and whenever i mentioned it i clearly said i dont remember the amount and estimated ~.
    -The deposit system used server roles to assign deposits. so look at those to see what mine was.
    -Post proof you didnt do this to other people because i provided a list of all the workers logs. as you still seem to be holding onto other peoples money as well. [​IMG]
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  9. Unread #5 - Jul 19, 2023 at 3:50 PM
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    You can contact anyone on the list of people who actually had a deposit to see if they got paid. They either cashed out or still have a deposit with me (because they still work here)

    Since you have decided to involve sythe I will wait for the mods here to reply and reply to them directly
     
  11. Unread #6 - Jul 19, 2023 at 4:12 PM
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    So no audit logs/screenshots of the worker channel?
     
  13. Unread #7 - Jul 20, 2023 at 6:15 AM
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    The burden of proof is on you and not on @ChrisMd to provide,

    Can I ask for proof of the 300m deposit which is mentioned here and proof of you depositing it? in the database entry which you have provided it shows an integer value of 0 and not 300m under the "deposit". Also do you have proof of the 120.4m in work being completed?
     
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    @Pikachu
    Im not sure how the burden of proof is on me, I was removed from my worker log and cannot provide proof. You can confirm with the previous owners, or any worker in mafioso that all this information is contained in the worker logs. this can be solved within 30 seconds by chrismd. @ChrisMd purposely removed me from my worker logs in an attempt to take my deposit, and stop me from getting my pay.
    I have this message with the previous owners showing the deposit, unfortunately exx's discord was deleted so I cannot find the dms with him
    my inital deposit with mafioso
    <Removed>
    discussing becoming a manager with LordZuku
    Screenshot - 4b901cab3761c78ec00f642eb0297810 - Gyazo
    There was messages with Exx here, but his discord account was deleted. but this money was sent shortly after to increase my deposit to become a manager
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    Me increasing my deposit to become a manager
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    As for proof of work, if you look at the same logs, I did over 5b worth of work. and that was only the logged work. not including the stuff i did for free, or gave out to other people. If you need more than that, I can provide a list of the SQL table showing every single job / quote I did.
     
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    After further investigation, I found the original signed contract. I have provided the contract in full to @Pikachu
    But line 27/28 states the following:

    If the Contractor wishes to end the Retainer, they can request to do so by contacting any staff of
    Mafioso. After the Contractor requests to end it, the Retainer will remain active for two weeks following the request. During this time, the Contractor cannot have any open jobs nor can the Contractor take any new jobs. The Client retains the right to terminate the Retainer at any time. After the two weeks is up, the Client will return 100% of the deposit in the same way it was
    received.

    There was an exception made by me and I had it specifically changed for me to be 100% of the deposit, instead of the usual 90% with most other workers.

    Given that, I wish to change the amount owed from 300m+120.4m to 120.4m+ $184.

    I have confirmed with the previous staff at mafioso that the workers contracts were posted in the worker's log discord channel, and throughout this entire process
    @ChrisMd could have just looked in the channel to see the amount owed/deposit.
     
  19. Unread #10 - Jul 21, 2023 at 6:25 AM
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    @whatskraken do you have any specific chats log about the agreed amount for ranks? specific chat logs related to purchasing the rank and sending the payment, rather than something like this here, what I am looking for is you reaching out to "exx" and agreeing on the amount for rank and sending the payment, would need this for both rank purchases
     
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    Screenshot - fd990639aeaec29e01601622a1c2160c - Gyazo
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    I dont know how to prove deleted user is exx.

    as you can see, we discussed changing the contract specifically for me, and the mafioso team were aware of the contract changes when signing it.

    The deposit was posted and displayed in my worker log channel, and Chris would be able to provide more proof. I don't get how he can kick me out of my log and claim it didn't exist.
     
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    I have proof of payment of funds to mafioso. A cashapp transaction clearly states that I paid an increase in deposit. Also stating and showing the contract that says I asked to be paid out the same. He is not providing any evidence that he actually paid any of this back. Whats more, he has lied multiple times about me not having logs, then not having a deposit. Both of which I can show records of having. He only admitted and was willing to pay out what was actually mine after, I had to provide proof that I had access to what he already had, and threaten to report him on sythe. Given he has a history of deception, the recklessness and idiocy of "hypothetically" deleting transaction records, I ask that regardless of the outcome, he receives a DNT. He is clearly trying to avoid paying back the debts he agreed to take on.

    Another player named "ThatNameIsTaken" @Thatnameistaken (disc id: 687859647138234539) is, to the best of my knowledge, also having his deposit being "held". and his logs were are also likely "lost". According to the database that was deleted above, he is owed 693.10m on top of the 1b deposit he has had. So this isn't just a one off case. It seems he is trying to do this to collect workers logs and not have to pay out for work done. @ChrisMd cant claim to have lost just my logs. He "lost" everyone's! He then tried to hide behind the concept of lack of evidence since he deleted them, it is reckless and idiotic at best and malicious at worst. both of which are deserving of a DNT. This is also shows that he didnt actively try to pay out those "worker deposits" he has been sitting on for a year.

    You can read in the original ticket, I was friends with the previous owners, I just wanted what was mine, and he kept delaying, for over a year. I assumed it was just a minor issue and would be resolved, but after months of waiting, and being ignored it has come to this...
     
  27. Unread #14 - Jul 23, 2023 at 4:56 PM
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    As requested here are the annoucements I made regarding the switching over

    https://i.imgur.com/u32cyKu.png
    https://i.imgur.com/hwy07wj.png

    Whilst it says in the annoucement Jan 1st this was more of just a way to get people to take action and not be lazy, I can't remember the exact dates but we held balances for considerably longer

    As for @Thatnameistaken he is on the deposit list so either has claimed his deposit or will be able to claim it. Again this was a long time ago so I would have to check PMs with him and chat with staff to see what happened in that exact instance. I didn't deal with all the refunding/transferring of deposits by myself, had many staff members helping me with this
     
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    Chris got my stuff taken care of.
     
  31. Unread #16 - Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM
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    Shame I found the logs, otherwise youd have kept the 600m. Also, I asked the first time in my logs way before, you just replied with "you dont have a deposit, and that youd look for it". The server itself wasnt deleted when i opened the ticket. I was still in it. Just not able to see my own channel. Hence why i opened with "i was kicked from my own logs." so you had a record then when i asked...


    in regards to the announcement, please show me where I agreed to that. You cannot unilaterally say you must do X by Y date or you will agree by default. No where in my original contract or any agreement I made with mafioso did it say that I must migrate to a new worker log to keep my deposit / pay. I understand you can impose that as a requirement for ongoing workers with continual employment going forward, however I believe that I have made it clear by now I no longer want to be a manager at Mafioso services and I wish to withdraw my entire pay and deposit.
     
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    Before I begin, I spent a considerable amount of time contemplating the verdict of this report, hence the delayed response with the final decision. Therefore, I apologize for the delay.

    I'm going to start by dividing the service work and ranking it into two separate claims, as they both have different reasons to be considered eligible for a refund or not. So, I'll begin with the service work.

    Dispute for payment for owed work:

    This was the easier of the two to make a ruling on, as it is relatively simple. When @ChrisMd first purchased the Discord server from @LordZuku, @LordZuku provided a database to @ChrisMd containing the current debts of the server. Within this database, a unique Discord ID, 462440911243051038, was linked to @whatskraken. Below is the entry for his data:

    [​IMG]
    Note: I have excluded any irrelevant data points in the screenshot above.

    @ChrisMd has been diligently paying off the server debts, which is evident from his data entry below where he paid out @Thatnameistaken.

    [​IMG]
    Note: I have hidden his data to ensure privacy as it is not directly relevant to the report.

    Since @ChrisMd has been settling the debts previously owed by the server, he is required to pay @whatskraken 124.2m 07 GP.


    Dispute for deposit/rank:
    I will begin by elucidating the underlying issue with the dispute for rank/deposit.
    • In the previously mentioned database, under "deposit," the valuation is 0. Although the reasoning for this was explained to me by @LordZuku, I must base my decision on the evidence presented before me rather than relying on another user's statements. Therefore, we must consider this value as 0.
    • Due to the ownership transfer and the database entry showing 0, it is challenging to determine whether this payment was made in the past by one of the previous owners. Despite one owner stating it wasn't paid, we cannot be certain due to the considerable amount of time that has passed since the original payment for the rank, which was nearly 3 years ago.
    • The evidence presented by @whatskraken has multiple underlying issues, which raise doubts about its validity. I will meticulously assess each piece of evidence and explain why they may not be considered valid.
    1. The contract was provided as screenshots of PDF. It's hard to know if a bad actor had contact with the contract before it was presented as proof in this report, so we can't consider this evidence as it could have been easily edited/manipulated before it was presented in this report.
    2. The discord chats log which is suspected to be one of the previous owners is a deleted user, so there is no way to fully verify if that was indeed the previous owner.
    • finally, @ChrisMd clearly issued a warning to all workers, stating that they were transitioning to a new system, as evident in the provided screenshots above, this is important as this issue could have been resolved a long time ago.
    The main reason for denying this claim is due to the numerous variants that raise valid concerns. Additionally, the fact that this issue has remained unresolved for years adds weight to the decision. It is clear that this matter should have been addressed and resolved much earlier. The database entry alone was enough to deny this claim, but I went over other underlying issues as well as they have very minimal effect on the final verdict.

    Final verdict:
    @ChrisMd please pay @whatskraken 124.2m 07 GP.
     
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    @Pikachu the only reason it took years to resolve is because he has refused to pay me this entire time, pretty much since the transition of ownership I have been asking for payment.

    and regarding the PDF, that was posted in my worker log, @ChrisMd can verify the authenticity of it, along with @LordZuku
     
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    also @Exxistential can you confirm if that cashapp posted was yours? I know you wont remember those specifics dms, but you can confirm that the cashapp is yours.


    Also finally @Pikachu is there no punishment for chrismd refusing to pay out for a year all the while gold drops in price
     
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