U.S.A Gun Control

In semi response to this thread: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11741126#post11741126

Although i am not an American, i do agree with their 2nd amendment letting them have guns. What i do not agree with is the easyness of owning certain weapons without license's.

I am wondering what do you think should be included in restrictions about buying weapons in all states in America, and to the Americans on here, what are the requirements in your states and would you change anything.

For me I believe a psychology report should be needed before buying a gun or if not, if anyone is ever having to see a councilor/psychologist it should register on a system that they own a gun, and that the councilor/psychologist can give a basis whether they believe the person is a threat to themselves or others and that the weapons should be taken away until/if the person regains the right of mind to own a weapon.

 

Its sad to say but i don't think gun laws in the states will ever change. It doesn't matter if 1000 kids died. People are selfish and think they have the "right" to anything they want.

EDIT: the constitution was made the protect the U.S citizens. This isn't protecting anyone. George washington is rolling over in his grave right now.

 

Honestly, if everyone would stop being such a little b*tch about weapons, and carried one themselves, people would not die. Seem wrong? Let me ask you this, it takes 1 crazy person to run into a school with a gun and start shooting, but if every teacher in that school had a weapon of their own, I GUARANTEE that less then 1/4 of the people would be dead. Also, they are a deterrent, if everyone had a weapon, would someone feel as safe to go in and start shooting?

I'm sure there's people that are going to be against that, but here's another question for you, If they pass a bill saying guns can no longer be legally owned in america(I doubt that would ever happen, but lets imagine), would that stop the criminals from gaining weapons and using them anyways? Does making addicting drugs illegal make them impossible to get? No to both questions, just because you make something illegal does not make it safe, in fact it makes you the opposite.

People are trying to use this type of event to control the public, by making them think that banning guns would make everyone safe, I mean honestly, are people that dense? Banning guns from the common person takes away any chance they have to defend themselves, then the only people with weapons are the criminals and the Government? Who do you think is trying to control you more?

 

Guns are a balancing weapon, not based on size, gender, or anything, but the ability to aim. As said above if you were to completely ban firearms you'd still have criminal organizations smuggling and using firearms. What this means is the criminials will have the superior weaponry, while the public remains at a big disadvantage.

 

Im not going to go into this too deeply, but the fact is it doesnt matter at all what gun laws happen or change at all. The shooting today happened with firearms owned by the shooters mother (fully licensed btw). The fact is its too late for gun control, there are millions in circulation. Guns arent going anywhere, ever.

 

The 2nd amendment was founded to protect the citizens of the United States of America from our government, as well as foreign, so why are we letting our government take away our right to protect ourselves from them? They say it will lower the death toll / amounts of murder, I highly doubt that, in my opinion, if that is truly and the soul reason to take away guns, we might as well regulate the home depot, as we can hang people with rope, and beat them with a shovel.

edit: I would also like to point out, that the well known people telling us we don't need guns, have at least 1 guard within 100 feet with a gun in his or her possession.

 

I do not have a problem with the American's second amendment, but what i do think should happen is the law be updated with the times. When the 2nd Amendment came about, guns fired one shot and then took 30 seconds to 1 minute to reload. Now you can fire 100's of rounds a minute or as fast as you can pull the trigger which i dont find ok with.

 

I am all for allowing people to have their guns, but then again, I spent time in the Army, and with that, it means I understand the responsibility of owning and handling a weapon. The shooter from Sandy Hook didn't own any guns but he obtained them from his mother who did. She wasn't locking her guns up responsibly, especially when she had to know something wasn't mentally right with her son. The result got her shot along with 18 children and 6 more adults. We just need to add programs that show people how to properly be responsible with your guns. And I wouldn't mind surprise checks from law enforcement (not break your door in to see how you're storing your weapons, but knock on the door).

 

Do you think if gun laws are made more stricter these people who commit these acts wouldn't go out of their way to obtain guns illegally? I feel like if someone has the mind set to shoot up a school that they will figure out a way to get guns illegally or do it some other way.

 

Yeah people don't seem to understand that these mass murderers are actually criminals who DON'T follow the law and therefore wouldn't actually follow this new gun control law you put in place.

 

I'm not going to go very deep in this because i feel very strongly on this. But just take a second to think. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, not guns. Guns can make it easier yes, but if i say i'm going to kill you then i'm going to kill you with or without a gun. Next, most guns that you see the criminal organizations using are knock off's of the real thing that are imported in. You think that the assault rifles or even hand guns in some states they buy are from a local Gander Mountian? Hell no, you need licensing to even purchase these. And the people who do buy these guns for others are often caught due to the fact that if you buy 3 guns within a year you are put on a monitoring list. What needs to happen is every home needs to be given an assault rifle.

And just say that we do take the public's guns away. It doesnt get rid of the fact that there's still that crazy person. I bet they would turn to bombing. You can easily google how to build one, and it's the next easiest thing to do to cause a mass death toll.

 

You're a fucking idiot. Explain to me your psychotic argument that having more guns will cause less gun violence and killings.
You have no argument, all you care about is your precious guns and you don't give a shit about how many people die.
Less guns will cause less gun related violence - that is a fact.

 

Less ILLEGALLY owned guns will cause less gun violence.

 

im sorry, but lets say i got a robber in my house, i miss, now it takes me 30 seconds at least to fire another shot, lets not even mention if there is a 2nd robber.

 

sounds like you dont want guns around, like i said in my post, should we limit home depot too? a rope is a suicide weapon, and a shovel is a murder weapon, the crime rate will not go down, if i want you dead, you will be dead, it is that simple, weather i beat you with a shovel and it takes you an hour to die, or a simple 1 shot, you didnt see coming, you didnt feel anything, you are still out.

 

Incorrect, you fucking kook. Since 1982, there have been 58 mass murders.
So, out of the 134 guns possessed by those killers, 3/4 of them have been obtained legally.



Yeah no problem we just keep giving them guns legally and then they massacre you again and again.
Definitely no problem for the national rifle association when you have to buy more guns in panic and worrying about protecting yourself.

 

You're too immature to even participate in a debate. Calling people names on the internet makes you look like a chump, keep that in mind. Grow up, let your balls sag a little bit more and come back and talk to me when you're big boy, k-thanks.

 

You're so smart, that so true. Once guns are regulated, everyone will start using shovels to kill everyone. Are you listening to yourself?
A shovel is not identified as a murder weapon, it is a gardening tool. :laugh:

 

You seem to be missing the point, the chart would just shift from more legally owned guns to more illegally owned guns.

This doesn't prove murder rates would go down if guns were more difficult to obtain legally.

 

LOL Attempting to insult me when you lose an argument. Pathetic.