Full response to the "Secrets about Sythe" eBook

Grave, are you calling the current staff corrupt? I mean you keep leading on that you don't seem to trust us at all, so what is it that your REALLY trying to get at?

 

I don't trust anyone, and I never called it corrupt. If I was so easy to trust everyone, my business wouldn't be as successful as it is today. Going back to your statement, I would say the current staff is corruptible and this is a major turning point. There's no checks and balances, and we're a fucking RS community so I don't expect us to be sophisticated about everything. Oh well. (edit) Maybe I was traumatized by what happened to me. When I was banned for not breaking a single rule, the staff seemed corrupt to me and I'm stuck with that image forever. Another major breaking point for me was when you said you had no respect for my legal contract that protects me against my workers who have stolen from me countless times in the past.

 

Alright fair enough.

 

Yeah, everyone knows I scammed (For the record I recovered a fucking lvl 35 account I forgot I had even sold to Vlamp, who I could not get a hold of to pay back, and when I did with the help of a staff member, I payed him back and posted the picture of me paying him back in the SL). The reason for my pardon was even in the Pardon section of the forums.

Also, it's no big deal. I don't care if I was mentioned or anything(whether it was wrong or not), jesus christ it's not going to ruin your life. Who cares what people think. Let someone make an e-book about my whole life of unemployment, beta moments and shameful afterthoughts of suicide when I finish masturbating and sell it to people.

 

And thus, the secret to making money on this site is revealed.

 

If I made an ebook based off the spam forum, where "RSU scams on fridays" and made up proof such aas adding in pictures not links to threads of things like this:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1424028
http://ww2.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1445680

More threads I don't want to find. You would obviously want to argue against every point, the way Finn's interview was written it had to be argued as a whole, leaving parts out would lead to suspicion of covering something up which is exactly what Finn wants, and you are doing exactly what Finn wants by creating a trust issue between staff and the community, you were banned by Finn and are now defending his ebook, his ebook isn't even a legitimate book, spreading false facts is always frowned upon and in most cases if the extent is far enough the lies have to be argued against otherwise it may result in people believing the wrong side of the facts.

If Govind left out part of the ebook even a small quote which leads to the community misunderstanding it, that would cause an even larger problem because Finn's bandwagon faggots would get excited and jump on the opportunity to go against staff to make them look in the wrong. Finn is a manipulating faggot and for some reason gets pleasure out of spreading rumours. Its good Sythe and Govind posted these threads otherwise Finn would continue spreading his false facts and keep attempting to create barriers between staff and the community, he wants to be seen on the right side and will attempt to make everyone choose his side over anyone elses, take silent fag as an example he scammed because Finn was banned and wanted to make a statement and Finn will manipulate more people to do the same.

 

You still fail to accept this is fair use. You also fail to accept that if this was an interview by Finn we can use the entire thing because he doesn't care. This makes all your points void. I'll ignore that, though.

1) User spams a flawed (blatant lies) ebook on our forums. We ban him for scamming.

2) User continuously ban evades attempting to discredit Sythe.

3) User can or has caused damage to Sythe.org.

4) Being unable or not wishing to pursue legal against against the writer for libel we disclosed the ebook (under the consciousness clause) to prevent further damage and undo damage done by writer.

Our rules are not set in stone for a reason... Otherwise they would be miles longer and scammers would get unbanned on technicalities all the time.

 

There you crossed the line. Finn left staff position and now is telling various facts that should have been kept in staff lounge, most of them are not even true. Staff has the right to show his shitbook (it is not even a book, it is a one page fake info poster) and answer every statement that is in it. I think in this way it is even more professional than just saying that is not true, because you are providing a proof that it did not happen.

Also, Finn is no longer a member of our community, so he cannot sell anything to our members.

 

When did I ever say I was defending his eBook? I could care less about it, or I would have bought it. I'm not defending Finn either. None of my beliefs would have changed if it was a different person or subject.

I skimmed over Govind's response, and they are very weak to begin with. Most of his responses to serious allegations Finn makes is "no proof" while he also provides no proof. Either way, you can easily make the same argument without using the entire book. Everyone learns this in highschool if not middle school.

I specifically stated, in my original post, that if the author didn't give a shit, then go ahead and post it, but there seemed to be no asking for permission from anyone for this thread to happen.

What I got from that was "instead of just banning people for rulebreaking, we will steal their work since we're too lazy to pursue them legally."

They are already pretty long, and I see no situation where, specifically as you stated, scammers would get unbanned on technicalities. In fact, you guys managed to bend it the other way with Corey.

The staff has the right to do whatever they want apparently, but I was just stating that it's the wrong thing to do, as apparent by the general moral code of published works.

Once again, then don't let banned members sell it, but don't release their work for free. I think the argument morphed from me making this general statement to it expanding on how I believe it's wrong to have an elastic clause, and such, so it went from facts to opinions.

 

The only parts I said "no proof" to were the one about Sythe not wanting to ban donators, and the one about admins leaking.

Everything else is either addressed or referenced to Sythe's thread where it is addressed.

Besides, my claim is correct - if he has no proof, he can claim whatever he wants. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You could say anything's real if the only reason you assert it is that no one's proved it's not real.

 

People are giving this stupid E-Book the wanted effect, look what it has done? Why are we even entertaining the idiot who wrote it with all of this?

 

i go on holiday for 11 days come back to this god i love the weirdos around sythe

 

You draw the line when its gone too far, not when someone is doing something that is logical and fair. There is always room for somebody to go too far with anything, but I really don't see the logic behind getting mad before it happens.

If someone is selling an ebook that is full of lies and slander, and an Administrator of the site sees it fit to make it public and debunk all of the false statements, nobody should argue.

As soon as you can prove that the eBook was nothing but truth (therefore a fair sale), it is then that you can argue that this thread is scamming, unethical, and otherwise unjust. Until then, leave well enough alone and stop arguing against something that makes complete sense.

For the record, the one thing that stops them from going too far is sanity and good judgement. Finn had neither, and simply wormed his way out of everything. I'm 100% sure Richard would never let such a thing happen again, which is why such measures have been taken to fix all of past wrongdoings.

There is absolutely no way to 100% judge a persons character over the internet, so no, there's no way we can be positive that an Administrator won't go too far, however, I trust the current Admin team, and I trust even more Richard's judgement when it comes to keeping his staff in line.

If you ask me, its time that the community trusts the staff's judgement, and if you strongly disagree, keep your objections in the proper forums with civil statements and responses, rather than resorting to accusing people of scamming or otherwise performing unethical actions for personal gain.

 

I have no intentions of making more enemies and pissing more people off than I already have. However, I will state that some part(s) of the eBook is true, while other parts are exaggerated or wrong.

 

Any parts that are true are most definitely the parts that were leaked from the Staff Lounge, therefore Richard had every right to bring it public, unless leaking his own Staff Lounge is now a capital offense as well.

 

Consider the real world extra-Sythe for a moment, which if you have time to sit here and argue bullshit you might not know much about. A tabloid prints an article concerning another party, a defense for libel is truth. You can, as an individual (or entity), can reprint in part or full the interview to provide a defense for themselves by countering the libelous statements with the truth.

 

I'm just going to make a small comment.

I trust admins. But I don't trust some admins' judgement.

On personal experience, rule bending should be done not just in *staff* related cases.

 

This is true, and completely ethical, but to be fair to those arguing, lets admit that we do have rules in place that prevent the average user from leaking a guide, no matter what their intentions are.

Keeping in mind that the posting of this ebook was completely ethical and logical, take the following into consideration as an explanation as to why this rule was bent.

As you can see, from time to time (this being the first to my knowledge), ebooks get published that are full of lies and slander which could potentially harm a user or the site. In most cases, the user gets banned, but in this case, the user kept returning. As a final resort, they were left with no choice but to release the ebook for free as to cease sales of it, and also negate any non-factual statements within. The argument arises that if the Admins can do it, everybody should be able to, however that is not the case. If everyone could do it, people would be using it as a scapegoat to leak peoples guides, and it would be utter chaos.

The fact of the matter is, the Admin tiers are for the most part (Finn) accompanied by people that have been here for a very long time, know how it works, and as a result have near perfect judgement. If their judgement was anything but excellent, they would not be an administrator.

TL;DR some things just need to be done; the admins know what they're doing; if everyone does it there will be chaos

 

why cant people just get along?

 

Thanks for clearing it up, I was very curious about this too.
If everyone knows he was a scumbag then theres no point to this, everyone trusts Sythe.org No big deal.