I don't believe suicide is right under almost all circumstances. First off your parents spent however many years of their life caring for you and (most of them) loving you, and to repay this investment you off yourself and destroy their lives, then you have to think about your friends, they are all going through the same shit as you usually then you off yourself and fucking put them through fucking hell for years and you can fuck their lives up for a long time.
That happened to me man, I was 16 and my best friend at the time offed herself and it fucked me up really bad for a good 2 years, I got all messed up and got hard into shit to feel better but eventually pulled myself out of the rut.
This is neglecting to mention that you are throwing away all your potential and most of the time the issue you are killing yourself over is so fucking trivial its such a waste.
Staying true to the topic question: Is suicide right?
It's important to understand that in a situations of /right/ and /wrong/ these are fundamentally the ambiguous traits of ethics (morality).
The decision to take your own life pertains only to the individual who has decided it. Through centuries of colonization and social advancements, we sometimes forget that we ultimately live for ourselves.
With there being no clear objective to life, voluntarily cutting yours short doesn't translate to: "you've fucked up" (wrong or incorrect). There are no grey-areas. ie: minor reasons such as suicide over break up. Suicide is a individualistic decision and is autonomously the correct decision for those who commit to it. Outside subjectivity holds no grounds in a self-affected decision.
The way I see it, is that life is just nothing, you're just cells, nothing more, after death, you simply fade to dust, dirt, ash, etc. Bugs will eat you
To me, nothing happens after death, IDC for my life, however I live for things, the option to success, and what I do all day to get there study, etc.
I think it's a matter of perspective. I read in the news about a woman whom was paralysed neck down and was suffering everyday in pain and agony. She couldn't be independent and was being tortured mentally and physically.
At one point it became too much for her to handle and she decided the best way out was to suicide. Since she was paralysed neck down, she had no other ways of commit suicide then to literally starve herself to death. Her family and her boyfriend had respected her decision and made no attempts to stop her.
The woman had lost her purpose and meaning in life. She was suffering and at the same time, had felt like a burden to her family. So what's the point of continuing to live in her case?
I believe that suicide is not right nor wrong. It's just a matter of perspective, how we view it and how we see things in different angles. For the person whom is in agony, it may seem like a right thing. Afterall, when you reach the stage where you actually seriously contemplate suicide, something must be very wrong, whether in your own mind or the environment you are living in.
But to those of us whom have no experience with suicide, we may look at it as a very foolish, stupid and cowardly act. Have we given our understanding to the victims of suicide? Have we gone through their pain and agony? (I think if you are reading this right now, the answer is no.) So who are we to say whether suicide is right or wrong?
Personally, if a close kin of mine committed suicide, I would be extremely angry at him/her. But i think i would be very selfish in a sense, for if he is in so much extreme pain, why should he continue to live for my sake?
-- This was posted few pages back, but I'd like to respond regardless --
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I think the people who are at fault, are the loved ones of people who commit suicide. The sick, disgusting people who have the nerve to call them cowards or selfish. Suicide is NOT a selfish act. People who have ever experienced chronic depression understand the plight of those that end their lives. It's not something to be taken lightly, but calling them cowards is just fucking wrong.
I have a lot to say, unfortunately I do not have a lot of time. First of all, it is wrong, completely wrong to generalize suicide, that's like generalizing murder. It is ridiculous to say the loved ones are <always> at fault. I have seen mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, uncles, aunts ... and even children do EVERYTHING to help a depressed human through a rough period. If this person decides to take their life regardless I say we support them instead of languishing over the person who died.
I have seen people in pain myself. 2 months ago someone I talked to daily committed suicide. EVERYONE around her did EVERYTHING to support her, knowing she was feeling depressed. Perhaps she had come at a point where the depression was unbearable, and I agree that it may be justifiable to take your life in such a situation. But if you are in the church two days later, seeing her loving family, crying and feeling miserable, you start to think "why didn't she try one more year". Her parents will never be able to live their life normally EVER again. Losing a child is a horrible thing, but a child who decides to take their life is even worse.
As I said I'd like to say a whole lot more about suicide, but my time is limited. For now I just wanted to say DO NOT GENERALIZE suicide because in most scenarios the loved ones are the victims once the person passed away.
I don't think suicide is a question of morality from an outsider's perspective.. suicide is an internal choice which I believe has no consequences to the person other than of course, loss of life. It is my belief that there is no afterlife so I'm rather indifferent to the matter, if you do not feel the need to live or are incredibly scarred by your day-to-day life then it's up to you.
My most recent encounter with suicide was a kid at my school who was well liked shot himself multiple times at a local lake.. Suicide is chilling from an outside perspective but I think everyone has the right to choose life for themselves, or choose not to live, who are we to judge their moral character or decide what their fate should be?
Committing suicide is an act of cowardliness.. Im not saying people that attempt or do commit this act are cowards, Im saying the act of it is... Sure it may be the easiest way out or the best solution to your problems, But it dosnt mean it's right.
Personally, I feel that suicide is wrong and it should not be committed by anyone. We only have one life and we should treasure it, not throw it a way. It was gods power to create us, so what right do we have to destroy ourselves, god's creation? If anyone has a problem, he or she should always resort to help. No matter what you think, there will always be someone there to be by your side and help you. There's no point in keeping all of it to yourself and eventually kill yourself, even though you could have fixed it. One needs to be brave and patient. Whatever One is going through, he or she should not give up and give it time because from their lowest point in life, it can only get better. Suicide is not an option for ones problems. It's not even a "quick fix" for the problems. It's simply a cowardly act of running away from your problems. The person will die with the problems UNSOLVED. It just makes no sense at all. There's many options like talking to your family about it or your best friend or even a councillor if you don't mind. That's what I feel anyways.
Never give up, and live life to the fullest!
If you believe emotions have a real impact on you (which you most likely do if you're going to commit suicide),
if people care about you (which they most likely do),
and if you understand that rationality can trump emotions with effort (it can),
then I don't see where there is a case where suicide is right as you will only be hurting others.
I was originally under the same mentality as you. I thought Suicide was an act of Cowardice, but.. my opinion has slightly changed.. Why? Perhaps due to growing up a bit, or hell who knows.
I'm still under the impression that things can change, and that things can always get better, but some-times the pain is just to much to bare.
The individual who commits suicide will hurt others upon their decision, but let me ask you this:
Is it fair to make someone who is miserable and hates their life stay in this world? Are you the one being selfish for not letting them do what makes them happy?
Also, take in account that many people don't really think people would give a fuck if they were gone. I've had this conversation with a friend of mine, and I fail to see why people would even care if someone (such as my self) just disappeared.
One last thing, about your example. Ok, the wife may of found out that her husband was cheating on her, but what else? It's quite possible finding that out pushed her over the edge. If someone is close to cracking, one word, or one event can make them completely fall apart.
As for the question it self, I'll abstain. I think things can get better, but you don't know about the other person until you are truly in their shoes. As well, different people have different responsibility. Some as you said are mother's with 3 children, other individuals can be 18 and not have a family.
As a person currently on anti-depressants, and a person who has self-harmed before in my life, I hold a very different viewpoint on suicide than anyone I've ever met.
I feel happy for people that commit suicide. Not sad, not angry.
People who commit suicide are suffering. There is no other way to put it. They're suffering and they have come to accept that suicide is the easiest way out. Am I saying it's the best way out? No, I'm saying it's the easiest, and that's an undeniable fact. It's easier to put a bullet into your brain than it is to get your life back on track and get over the fact that simply getting out of bed everyday is hard.
When someone commits suicide I can at least find some solace in the fact that I know they're no longer suffering. I know that they're free of whatever caused them so much pain.
Now before anyone gets defensive and doesn't understand what I'm trying to say, I'm not condoning suicide, I would never publicly do anything of the like, I'm saying it is understandable.
I think the people who are at fault, are the loved ones of people who commit suicide. The sick, disgusting people who have the nerve to call them cowards or selfish. Suicide is NOT a selfish act. People who have ever experienced chronic depression understand the plight of those that end their lives. It's not something to be taken lightly, but calling them cowards is just fucking wrong.
When you go through so much pain every day that you believe your only way out is to end your life, then you've earned the right to be free of any judgment anyone could pass on you. It's not selfish to leave your loved ones behind or people who depend on you, because you're not living for them, you're living for yourself. You're not a hammer or a screwdriver that was created for the sole purpose which is to be used.
And I'm not even going to go into the religious side of this debate, because anyone that says people that commit suicide are sinners or going to hell or something deserve to be shot. If you're going through extreme pain or sadness, a book or what some loon says shouldn't dictate your life, you deserve a way out.
This post infuriated me strongly. People who commit suicide are total cowards and are extremely selfish to do that to their family. Only a total idiot would say that suicide is okay, and it would take even more of an idiot to say that the people aren't selfish
Don't know if any of you watch Boogie2988, but he just came out with a vlog about suicide/suicide prevention. It really is deep, and an interesting video to listen to.
Suicide would be right in my biased opinion if a few conditions have been fulfilled. Like for instance:
Trapped in a car/building/cardboard box that is on fire with no possible option to escape.
Terminal disease or condition which bring about a lot of physical pain and/or suffering.
Abortion is already legal in most states. Why not? Why do we as a society have to step into everyone elses problems?
Ultimately, the choice of suicide is up to the person them self. It doesn't matter if WE think it is right or wrong. Stop forcing your biased morals on another person.
Suicide isn't cowardly, what is cowardly is treating people so badly that they want to end their lives. Most suicides committed are due to intense bullying that has happened to the person for most of their lives. It's not just a decision one morning when they wake up. It's contemplated for months and months, even years. Yes, maybe you thought the one example you stated was a bad decision, but under no circumstances was it a cowardly one. You can have your opinion but think about it. It's not an easy thing to do. To actually end your life. Thinking and doing are completely different things. To say that having the courage to actually commit the suicide is cowardly, is pure stupidity.
I myself have been driven to the point where I attempted suicide. More than just once. And I'd like to just say that in no way, shape or form is it a cowardly decision. Nor is it selfish. The only thing holding someone back from committing is the fact that other people will be affected. But as depression (let's not forget it is a mental disorder after all and most people who commit suicide suffer some sort of, if not severe depression) eats away at you, everything in your life is in a negative light. Paranoia starts to kick in, everyone hates you, you're a failure, nothing goes right, there's no point, nobody cares. You can't say it's cowardly.
If someone wishes to die because living causes too much pain, then I respect that decision (given of course everything possible has been attempted. e.g. therapy and counseling)
No, someone should not commit suicide because they're sad. But there's a difference between sadness and depression...
When you're sad, you cry. When you're depressed you burst in to tears for no reason, and can't seem to stop. When you're sad, you don't want to be around people. When you're depressed you will at all costs, avoid as many social interactions as possible, no matter the cost. Just to clear up that suicide isn't a result of "sadness". Sadness for sure is 'fixable' if you will, it just takes a certain level of resilience to do so. Depression isn't like that at all.
Also, being depressed doesn't mean you're any less rational than someone who isn't. People who are depressed are aware they are depressed, hence all the pills they are taking and therapy they're made to go through. They are aware they are depressed and accept they are depressed. They are fully aware of what they are doing when they kill themselves. They know that depression isn't stopped, sadness left for close ones. But again, grieving is just sadness, people grieve and become sad every day. Grieving gets easier, loss gets easier, again, a lot of resilience is required, ability to bounce back... but at the end of the day, a life of suffering, ended... shouldn't be something to feel robbed of.
I have mixed views on this topic. I think in some cases where people have illness' that make their lives very, very hard I understand their choices, they can do very little and many do not enjoy their lives, to them life becomes almost torture. However it causes suffering to many others around them and can make their lives very hard due to the grief. But I feel that it is right in SOME cases.
I don't think it's up to anyone to say whether it's right or wrong. Until you've been in a position where you can seriously consider ending your life because you genuinely feel that it's the best thing you can do for yourself then you can't possibly know what it's like. It's a horrible situation to be in and for you to feel like that then there must be something pretty seriously wrong with your life. I think that we need to focus on stopping people getting to a point where they feel suicidal. Intervening before they get into such a state is much better than trying to talk them down from the edge of a building
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