Changes to Name Transferring Info Thread

[Bright Eyes]

Thread/Sticky in question:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=996383

Hi, I'd like to a suggest an addition to the thread explaining the name transfer process.

Q:What is Name Sniping?


A:Sniping, in this case, for Names, is to literally wait and pursue on a particular name, usually a very Rare name or one that has a significant value to it. Chances are, somebody will take it through a name transfer with two methods.


Manual Snipe: Since this doesn't constitute as actual sniping, let me explain it in detail. It is NOT against the rules to manual snipe as long as it is not from a previous owner. You are allowed to add desired rare names to your ignore list and wait for them to become freed up. Make sure you actually look around the Name Sales forum to ensure you aren't stealing any that are undergoing transfer. Again, this issue is highly controversial and nobody actually knows whether the name was sniped or transferred by the owner.


Autoclicker: Generally NOT allowed if you have the intentions of stealing a name that has been bought/sold on Sythe or any other communities. You will get a Permanent banned if you are caught. You are allowed to use an Autoclicker(as in Govind's Clicker), but you aren't allowed to discuss about Sniping with an Autoclicker.

The addition could be:
There is no way to make certain your name transfer will be successful, however, transferring a name during a Runescape update via the homepage will greatly increase your chances of success as basic auto-clickers are force-logged from the Runescape servers.

The idea is to add helpful information to make name transfers successful; since most extremely rare names generally have people seeking to snipe them with autoclickers it would be helpful to provide more information on how to avoid names being sniped.

Thanks for reading,
Bright Eyes

[Synful *BANNED*]

it wouldn't hurt advising people of this. support.

[Alma Mater *BANNED*]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

Thread/Sticky in question:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=996383

Hi, I'd like to a suggest an addition to the thread explaining the name transfer process.




The addition could be:
There is no way to make certain your name transfer will be successful UNLESS you transfer it during a runescape update (all autoclickers are force-logged) via the homepage.

The idea is to add helpful information to make name transfers successful; since most extremely rare names generally have people seeking to snipe them with autoclickers it would be helpful to provide information on how to avoid names being sniped.

Thanks for reading,
Bright Eyes

I've had plenty of names sniped from me both during and right after an update so you are not 100% guaranteed that your name will not be sniped. If someone really wants your name (like a 1 letter name) they will snipe it, update or not.

Adding something like is will just further mislead people into thinking that name sales are completely safe, so no support.

[minifoot]

Nice advice i did'nt even think about this but those are actually pretty clever , cant hurt to help people trying to sell a runescape name.

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by Alma Mater

I've had plenty of names sniped from me both during and right after an update so you are not 100% guaranteed that your name will not be sniped. If someone really wants your name (like a 1 letter name) they will snipe it, update or not.

Adding something like is will just further mislead people into thinking that name sales are completely safe, so no support.

I've never had a name sniped during a Runescape update.

There are only two ways of getting a name: via the Runescape homepage where you have to retype the name each attempt, click accept, then move through a confirmation screen where you click 'yes' to confirm, or during account creation.

You'd have to have a script that types the name, clicks accept, then moves through the confirmation window FASTER than a human with two open browsers. This is VERY unlikely.

However, Runescape updates kick all accounts off the servers preventing autoclickers on creation screen from functioning.

Whether or not it is 100% successful (sorry, if you took this as my meaning), it is a great deal more secure than transferring at another time.
Edited my post to clear things up for you.

There is absolutely no harm in adding this information to the thread as it could save people from having their names sniped.


Bright Eyes

[Alma Mater *BANNED*]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

I've never had a name sniped during a Runescape update.

There are only two ways of getting a name: via the Runescape homepage where you have to retype the name each attempt, click accept, then move through a confirmation screen where you click 'yes' to confirm, or during account creation.

You'd have to have a script that types the name, clicks accept, then moves through the confirmation window FASTER than a human with two open browsers. This is VERY unlikely.

However, Runescape updates kick all accounts off the servers preventing autoclickers on creation screen from functioning.

Whether or not it is 100% successful (sorry, if you took this as my meaning), it is a great deal more secure than transferring at another time.
Edited my post to clear things up for you.

There is absolutely no harm in adding this information to the thread as it could save people from having their names sniped.


Bright Eyes

Oh okay, well then I guess Id support this if it said something like "it is highly recommended that when you try to xfer a name, you should do right after an update", as its just a disclaimer. Its still misleading to say xfer names can be 100% safe using this method just buying accounts are not 100% safe even after recovery checks.



And btw there are 3 ways of getting a name. You forget to mention the offensive name method.

Writing thjs on my iPhone, so excuse the bad grammar.

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by Alma Mater

Oh okay, well then I guess Id support this if it said something like "it is highly recommended that when you try to xfer a name, you should do right after an update", as its just a disclaimer. Its still misleading to say xfer names can be 100% safe using this method just buying accounts are not 100% safe even after recovery checks.



And btw there are 3 ways of getting a name. You forget to mention the offensive name method.

Writing thjs on my iPhone, so excuse the bad grammar.

The offensive name method simply gets the name ready to transfer. To put the name on another account you must either use the Runescape homepage or place it onto a new account via account creation. There are only two methods of TAKING a name, not getting it ready for transfer.

The offensive name method is also highly susceptible to an auto-clicker; my suggestion adds useful information on how to avoid auto-clickers, that is all.

Edited my first post to read 'There is no way to make certain your name transfer will be successful, however, transferring a name during a Runescape update via the homepage will greatly increase your chances of success as basic auto-clickers are force-logged from the Runescape servers.' - hope this is more palatable for you!


Bright Eyes

[Alma Mater *BANNED*]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

The offensive name method simply gets the name ready to transfer. To put the name on another account you must either use the Runescape homepage or place it onto a new account via account creation. There are only two methods of TAKING a name, not getting it ready for transfer.

The offensive name method is also highly susceptible to an auto-clicker; my suggestion adds useful information on how to avoid auto-clickers, that is all.

Edited my first post to read 'There is no way to make certain your name transfer will be successful, however, transferring a name during a Runescape update via the homepage will greatly increase your chances of success as basic auto-clickers are force-logged from the Runescape servers.' - hope this is more palatable for you!


Bright Eyes

I stand corrected and little sticky add-on or disclaimer wouldnt hurt I guess. I could see this suggestion being implemented right away.

[T V]

The reason I didn't include that is because it would then be obvious to anyone tracking a name on what day and at what time the name would be transferred. Instead, I usually told my buyets about it after we did a trade.
The system update method of xferring wasn't exactly obscure, but I figured the less public the knowledge of it was, the less likely it would be to fall into the wrong hands.

Sorry, but no support from me

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by T V

The reason I didn't include that is because it would then be obvious to anyone tracking a name on what day and at what time the name would be transferred. Instead, I usually told my buyets about it after we did a trade.
The system update method of xferring wasn't exactly obscure, but I figured the less public the knowledge of it was, the less likely it would be to fall into the wrong hands.

Sorry, but no support from me

There are many Runescape updates that occur, the main weekly update, and bug patches, etc. This does not give an exact day for a name transfer because people seeking to snipe names don't know which update you will transfer during. Also, Runescape updates do not occur at the exact time and day each week, this provides a degree of randomness that would make it near-impossible for a snipe to occur if done correctly.

I'd like to restate that there is no harm in informing members of the community that transferring a name during a Runescape update increases success rates.

It's about time the 'secrets' of the elite few name sellers get shared with the rest of the player base.

[Bowser187 *BANNED*]

I'll give my input on this. Transferring a name via runescape update is probably the safest way to do it. I have, however, witnessed a name get sniped during an update.

In response to bright eyes, runescape updates generally DO happen on the same day/same time. But being an avid name seller myself, i can tell you that through the system update method, your name isn't going to get sniped. Your name would have to be WORTH manually clicking for, and 99.5% of names, just aren't.

It's also worth mentioning to change your rare name on a monday. Membership lasts 31 days, 28 days later will be the 4th monday. You want to transfer during the update, which generally happens on early tuesday in the U.S, Mid day in europe. Sometimes updates happen on wednesday, You've left yourself room to compensate for this.

A tip i'll add, having done this a few times, is have 1 account logged into a world, and 1 account in the lobby. You'll notice that the time until updates are going to be different, usually lobby being more by about 20-30 seconds. A good tip i use, is to wait 10 seconds after your account had been disconnected from the lobby. This is just enough time to ensure that all servers have been disconnected. From this point you can assume it's safe to transfer your name with the 2 browser method TV has shown in said guide.

tl;dr, the success rate of using the update method is 999/1000. Your name will NOT get sniped if you do this correctly.

I'd like to write a guide/information page about knowledge on names before i leave sythe, I'll share all the secrets that i know if i get around to this... I've been dealing with names for quite some time and sharing my knowledge would be a positive to this section the community.

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by Bowser187

In response to bright eyes, runescape updates generally DO happen on the same day/same time. .

Right, usually they occur Tuesday afternoon GMT, however there are plenty of times where updates are delayed a day or two, or multiple updates to patch a bug are done in the same day.

I agree with the rest of what you have written. The success rate is near 100% when transferring during an update.

The only argument I have seen against including this information in the sticky is 'if more people know then it won't work' which is untrue. This argument is a facade for selfishness translated to: 'I want to keep this information from other people because I don't want them to have the same advantages I do' or even 'don't tell people about it then I can't snipe their names'.


Bright Eyes

[Bright Eyes]

Hoping this will make it into the sticky sometime soon...

[CryMeARiver *BANNED*]

good names get sniped
bad ones don't
wait a long time before xfering, over a month from RFT date

end of topic.

[Bright Eyes]

Originally Posted by CryMeARiver

good names get sniped
bad ones don't
wait a long time before xfering, over a month from RFT date

end of topic.

Short, useless post that does nothing to further the point of this topic. Didn't expect much else.

Sure you could wait months before transferring your name, or you could transfer during an update.

The point of this thread is to add information regarding the transfer of names during an update to the sticky not tell people 'wait a rly long tiem if ur name is rly gud cuz uderwise bad peepl weel snaip it'.

[T V]

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

There are many Runescape updates that occur, the main weekly update, and bug patches, etc. This does not give an exact day for a name transfer because people seeking to snipe names don't know which update you will transfer during. Also, Runescape updates do not occur at the exact time and day each week, this provides a degree of randomness that would make it near-impossible for a snipe to occur if done correctly.

I'd like to restate that there is no harm in informing members of the community that transferring a name during a Runescape update increases success rates.

It's about time the 'secrets' of the elite few name sellers get shared with the rest of the player base.

So a player would have to be on watch 24/7 hoping to catch a random system update? Not only that, but if they do happen to be online during one, they'll have to hope they're name is ready to be transferred at that time.
Also, what if they're unable to find a system update, and while waiting for one too much time elapses and their name becomes available to the public?

Originally Posted by Bright Eyes

Right, usually they occur Tuesday afternoon GMT, however there are plenty of times where updates are delayed a day or two, or multiple updates to patch a bug are done in the same day.

I agree with the rest of what you have written. The success rate is near 100% when transferring during an update.

The only argument I have seen against including this information in the sticky is 'if more people know then it won't work' which is untrue. This argument is a facade for selfishness translated to: 'I want to keep this information from other people because I don't want them to have the same advantages I do' or even 'don't tell people about it then I can't snipe their names'.


Bright Eyes

1. I never said including that information would make the method not work. Read my post, I said it would make it more likely that the wrong people would take advantage of it.

2. Again, in my first post I said I've always told my buyers about this method (if they asked for help, that is)

3. I speak from experience. Public Knowledge of the name collector "secrets" is in part what brought the business's downfall. From Novemeber 2010 through January 2011, there were less than a dozen people who knew how to even take names from the releases. Only a few people were selling them at that point, the rest of us were merely collecting for the fun of it. But as the collections grew, the appeal of selling off our surplus became greater.
Then a certain rare name clan got involved, and it became a competition. Twice as many people now knew how to take names and the whole thing began to get very daunting.
And then the big dicing clans began to take interest. At this point the process for taking names was common knowledge, and anyone could do it. However, near the beginning of the summer, the shit hit the fan. People began to have more free time on their hands, everyone knew how to take names, and stealing stealing them (sniping, or w/e you call it) gained popularity, not surprisingly, because it's much easier than grabbing a name legitimately.
I bring up dicing clans not only because they helped spread the rare name hype, but also because tons of names were stolen by members of cora and dd.
That's only the tip of the iceberg too. There are plenty of other examples I can give for why certain things are best kept hidden from the public eye (not denied to them, only hidden from view) when it comes to rare names.

If you're gonna twist my words around, then that's all I have to say.
I really don't like wasting my time with dramatic cynics.

[Folt *BANNED*]

Originally Posted by T V

The reason I didn't include that is because it would then be obvious to anyone tracking a name on what day and at what time the name would be transferred. Instead, I usually told my buyets about it after we did a trade.
The system update method of xferring wasn't exactly obscure, but I figured the less public the knowledge of it was, the less likely it would be to fall into the wrong hands.

Sorry, but no support from me

Couldn't have said it better myself. Creating a sticky about this encourages more people to transfer during update periods. Publicizing this method can be harmful to the community because people will rely on this method and think it's safer than it actually is. From seeing how advanced and experienced Runescape macro makers have become, its extremely likely that a macro for sniping names automatically on the homepage during an update already exists, and will become more common once the method gets more popular.

Obviously there are multiple tactics to perform a name transfer successfully and this could potentially be the best one, but announcing it to the community (including snipers) harms the safety of this method in general. When I sell a name, I do the same thing that T V does. You give your customers advice and tips on how to transfer it at the highest chance of success. This information is given out after the name has been purchased, that way the information is only distributed to members of the site who actually obtain names by purchasing them rather than stealing.

Sorry, no support here.

EDIT: Also wanted to add something else that I've learned from experience with this method. Certain website functions are unavailable depending on the update that is happening, and at times sections of the website become inaccessible too. A lot of the time when website functions become unavailable its unexpected because maintenance periods are normally announced before hand. I have transferred a name for a customer using the update method, and the whole website in general was unavailable for some time after I was mid way through the transfer. The name was still transferred successfully, but only out of shear luck. In other words, there are technical risks involved with using this method.

[MohtasaUnique *BANNED*]

Denied for what TV said