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Sin666 · #41 02-06-2011, 06:42 PM

This comes up every so often: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=796172

My response:

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Originally Posted by Sin666

It has little to do with the amount of trust involved - although even paid sigs show little, as they are generally sent as samples with anti-rip tags until paid for. (And, once made, there's no reason not to turn them over.)

If a .01 sig is deemed undeserving of a vouch, what is the cut-off, and how do you enforce such a rule without people simply claiming they paid more simply for the ability to exchange vouches?

Instead, the rule against vouching really exists for two primary reasons: to preserve quality and to limit ripping.

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Originally Posted by Sin666

The GFX mods at the time thought it better to leave the section to those with a genuine interest in learning how to create GFX. Good sigs take time to make - to find the right stock/render, to learn different techniques, to experiment with different styles/brushes, etc. They didn't want leechers only opening shops to farm hideous 5-minute sigs for vouches.

Spraynwipe · #42 02-07-2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sin666

It has little to do with the amount of trust involved - although even paid sigs show little, as they are generally sent as samples with anti-rip tags until paid for. (And, once made, there's no reason not to turn them over.)

If a .01 sig is deemed undeserving of a vouch, what is the cut-off, and how do you enforce such a rule without people simply claiming they paid more simply for the ability to exchange vouches?

Instead, the rule against vouching really exists for two primary reasons: to preserve quality and to limit ripping.

A $0.1 sig should not be deemed undeserving of a vouch, in the same way that a $0.1 trade of any sort including botting or gold buying shouldn't. If people can bot for free and to gain vouches, why can't graphics people get vouches for their efforts (even if they are minimal in some cases). There is more trust being shown than most would notice. For example, even if you watermark, the buyer is putting trust in the artist not to run off with his money. Yeah, sure, what reason would the artist have not to part with the sig once it's made? Any knowledgeable person could easily run off with the signature and the buyer's money, and then just use that as a prefabricated piece to be modified for another potential buyer. So there is quite a lot of trust involved.

Leechers are allowed to run free 5 minute skilling services (ie 1-10 strength) and get vouches - why aren't graphics users allowed to?

Obviously I put complete support in this idea, and have for a long time.

Sin666 · #43 02-07-2011, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spraynwipe

A $0.1 sig should not be deemed undeserving of a vouch, in the same way that a $0.1 trade of any sort including botting or gold buying shouldn't. If people can bot for free and to gain vouches, why can't graphics people get vouches for their efforts (even if they are minimal in some cases). There is more trust being shown than most would notice. For example, even if you watermark, the buyer is putting trust in the artist not to run off with his money. Yeah, sure, what reason would the artist have not to part with the sig once it's made? Any knowledgeable person could easily run off with the signature and the buyer's money, and then just use that as a prefabricated piece to be modified for another potential buyer. So there is quite a lot of trust involved.

Leechers are allowed to run free 5 minute skilling services (ie 1-10 strength) and get vouches - why aren't graphics users allowed to?

Obviously I put complete support in this idea, and have for a long time.

Please read the rest of my response, as I said it wasn't about the price tag. I only included that bit since people keep suggesting that there should be a difference between vouching for free sigs and vouching for paid ones, and such a distinction is meaningless (not to mention, besides the point).

Kiabin *BANNED* · #44 02-07-2011, 04:53 AM

I was the graphics mod for a while, and I agree and disagree on some of this. Vouching for sigs would be great, but it could be used to scam. Some of the new kids will fall for anything.

w000t · #45 02-07-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiabin

I was the graphics mod for a while, and I agree and disagree on some of this. Vouching for sigs would be great, but it could be used to scam. Some of the new kids will fall for anything.

It could be used to scam, you're right, but so can account upgrades and skill services. A vouch is worth what amount of trust was involved.

Bump

w000t · #46 02-08-2011, 08:48 PM

bump.

Aboveperfection GFX · #47 02-08-2011, 09:29 PM

w00t, I know I came out to be an ass an all and im sorry to the whole GFX forums,but I defiantly agree with the ''Leachers coming in making 4-5min signatures and getting vouches and profit off new-kids.I've did it my self, but I 100% Agree GFX sales should be vouched even if its just a little effort involved.
Also less likely to be scammed(In my opinion than any other thing in the black-market).
Above-Support.

Danlan · #48 02-08-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sin666

This comes up every so often: http://www.sythe.org/denied-suggestions/796172-allow-vouch-gfx-sales.html

My response:

I agree with this, but have a proposal to mediate both ends of the argument. Similar to how guides have to be verified, we should have a system where artists can request to be verified for selling their art and receive vouches for it. The decision should be left to the Graphics mods, who we all know don't do much anyways.

w000t · #49 02-09-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Danlan

I agree with this, but have a proposal to mediate both ends of the argument. Similar to how guides have to be verified, we should have a system where artists can request to be verified for selling their art and receive vouches for it. The decision should be left to the Graphics mods, who we all know don't do much anyways.

We don't even have a graphics mod.

Danlan · #50 02-09-2011, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by w000t

We don't even have a graphics mod.

Whatever sectional/global is handling the Graphics forum can do it then.

Sin666 · #51 02-09-2011, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Danlan

I agree with this, but have a proposal to mediate both ends of the argument. Similar to how guides have to be verified, we should have a system where artists can request to be verified for selling their art and receive vouches for it. The decision should be left to the Graphics mods, who we all know don't do much anyways.

Sorry, but I don't think that solves anything.

Inevitably, people are going to be upset when their work gets rejected, and I doubt GFX mods really want to be pestered with complaints that "it's not fair," "the system is stupid", and their work is "really is good enough".

Artists kind of suck at seeing their work objectively.

I think it's fine the way it is. Signatures don't sell for much, which means that the vouches are practically worthless anyway. Disallowing them is completely worth it, so long as it helps preserve the use that the section was actually intended for: genuine artistic interest.

X Requiem X · #52 02-09-2011, 11:30 PM

I fully suppost this, if you're being paid for something, it's still a trust thing IMO.
Whether you pay $5 for 5m in Runescape or for a nice sig, the person paying must trust the seller with the money.

w000t · #53 02-10-2011, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sin666

Sorry, but I don't think that solves anything.

Inevitably, people are going to be upset when their work gets rejected, and I doubt GFX mods really want to be pestered with complaints that "it's not fair," "the system is stupid", and their work is "really is good enough".

Artists kind of suck at seeing their work objectively.

I think it's fine the way it is. Signatures don't sell for much, which means that the vouches are practically worthless anyway. Disallowing them is completely worth it, so long as it helps preserve the use that the section was actually intended for: genuine artistic interest.

I see where you're coming from and all, but alot of things sell for almost nothing like skill training/account upgrades.

w000t · #54 02-11-2011, 12:06 PM

bump.

Spraynwipe · #55 02-11-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by w000t

I see where you're coming from and all, but alot of things sell for almost nothing like skill training/account upgrades.

Exactly, why can people run a bot for another person for free and get a vouch, but we can't? Although I do believe vouches should only be allowed for paid work above some minimum.

w000t · #56 02-13-2011, 08:47 PM

^^ gratz on getting mod mate

well deserved.

OT: Bump.

Ricky *BANNED* · #57 02-13-2011, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by w000t

^^ gratz on getting mod mate

well deserved.

OT: Bump.

Whya aren't you graphics mod aswell

Imperfect *BANNED* · #58 02-13-2011, 10:11 PM

I support this

Dropshot *BANNED* · #59 02-13-2011, 11:04 PM

I 100% support this, Some people are saying that all it is a bunch of C4Ds and brush packs. Pixels, vectors and original rendered work. That may be true, but lets have a look at runescape all you do is take a free bot made by someone else make a free account on runescape also made by someone else and bot it 24/7 then sell online pix-elated rsgp for money? It really is the same thing but one requires more work then starting a bot and going afk for 10 hours. So why shouldn't you be able to vouch for GFX's?