What's More Important These Days, # of Vouches, or Total $ Traded?

[IHerdULiekMudkipz]

I'm starting to see alot of people trusting on whom goes first based on amount traded on Sythe and not the overall number of vouches, and I'd personally like an honest well-thought opinion(s): which holds more validity, the overall amount of vouches or total amount of $ handled?

Ex. scenario:

Bob has 50 Vouches but only has handled $200 on Sythe, whilst
Max has 20 Vouches but has handled $1000 on Sythe.

Whom should go first?

[Necromancer24 *BANNED*]

Obviously I'd go for the guy who's handled more on Sythe. Which would you rather go first to, a guy who's got 100 vouches for 50 cent trades or a guy who's got 10 vouches, all from $100+ trades?

[beasted69]

Well most people have various vouches. Id go with the 100+ unless they actually had "ALL" 50 cent trades.

[Panzy Wanzy]

I'd like to see a bit of both, as anyone with a lot of money could easily buy an account for self-gain purposes. However, if a user has 50+ vouches, most of which from selling pins/guides then that will not impress me so much.
I like to see who the vouches are from, and what for. I would say that money traded is Sythe is probably more important.

[SheWasnt18 *BANNED*]

Well in my opinion if a person had 1 vouch for $500 its worth more to me than 500 vouches totaling $500 because the person who had the chance to scam for $500 could of taken the whole $500 and ran but the person with 500 vouches could only of scammed $1 at 1 time. I definetly think more $ traded is more improtant then more vouches.

[Surround Sound]

Although most of my 230 vouches are from low-value trades, I'd consider myself reasonably trusted. However, Spyike completed around 10-20 trades (adding up to $10000) and he's insanely trusted.

It's all up to the specific person, but I'd probably go for the person with a higher value trade history.

[IHerdULiekMudkipz]

Tbh, I'd go with total amount of vouches because if they've traded with a more variety of people they have more trust within the community imo instead of trading with only a select few but higher amounts of cash involved.

I think the value is more important. Someone can sell pins and get 100+ vouches but then have the opportunity to scam $200 and take it.

IMO.. When doing trades I follow this path. Sure there are different methods, this is mine.

1. I focus first on their time here with Sythe. Sorry, but anyone under 3-months is going to give up personal/confirmed information. High post counts for members with less than a few months are High risk IMO.

2. I examine each post the member has ever made, yes.. every post.

3. I google their msn and/or every msn they've ever used and look for connections. msns that come back with no history is a typical sign to me something is wrong. As a moderator, if a msn comes back with no history, I'm gonna rip the member's history apart looking at everything possible.

4. Right click images that the member has posted to include Avatars and signature images for property info.. I've scored more ban evaders using this method than most would think.

5. Personal Information. Legit Sellers like Legit Buyers IMO should have no issue releasing personal information.. There is not a single trade I've done that I can't reach out and say Hello.. Some know it, some don't.

6. Take your time.. Quick Trades = High Risk.

7. Drop a line to a moderator.. I typically help more than a dozen users a day with a quick look at a member's background as if I was gonna trade. Understand though, I can only say "Low" risk, "High" risk and Banning Now.. My research is not always 100% but I'm more than glad to give an opinion if I were you. I will not release member info/IP, please don't ask. Lastly.. Understand we are very busy with our own life and our roles to Sythe; don't expect everyone to have time for quick trades.. I never support "I need help fast".

8. PM... PM... PM... I exchange several PMs. msns are going to get you Scammed. Cut the deal in PM and then go msn is my process.

The above is what I use to make an "assumption" of who to trust. In the end, there is always risk.. All we can do is attempt to lower it.

Much less Scamming would take place if members would just Research, take your time and understand when to say "NO".

[Gurtaton]

Originally Posted by Spyike

IMO.. When doing trades I follow this path. Sure there are different methods, this is mine.

1. I focus first on their time here with Sythe. Sorry, but anyone under 3-months is going to give up personal/confirmed information. High post counts for members with less than a few months are High risk IMO.

2. I examine each post the member has ever made, yes.. every post.

3. I google their msn and/or every msn they've ever used and look for connections. msns that come back with no history is a typical sign to me something is wrong. As a moderator, if a msn comes back with no history, I'm gonna rip the member's history apart looking at everything possible.

4. Right click images that the member has posted to include Avatars and signature images for property info.. I've scored more ban evaders using this method than most would think.

5. Personal Information. Legit Sellers like Legit Buyers IMO should have no issue releasing personal information.. There is not a single trade I've done that I can't reach out and say Hello.. Some know it, some don't.

6. Take your time.. Quick Trades = High Risk.

7. Drop a line to a moderator.. I typically help more than a dozen users a day with a quick look at a member's background as if I was gonna trade. Understand though, I can only say "Low" risk, "High" risk and Banning Now.. My research is not always 100% but I'm more than glad to give an opinion if I were you. I will not release member info/IP, please don't ask. Lastly.. Understand we are very busy with our own life and our roles to Sythe; don't expect everyone to have time for quick trades.. I never support "I need help fast".

8. PM... PM... PM... I exchange several PMs. msns are going to get you Scammed. Cut the deal in PM and then go msn is my process.

The above is what I use to make an "assumption" of who to trust. In the end, there is always risk.. All we can do is attempt to lower it.

Much less Scamming would take place if members would just Research, take your time and understand when to say "NO".

Those are some pretty neat advice, but would require A LOT of time to do all the steps. What do you get by checking the properties?

I do a mixture of both. I think Its good to have a lot of vouches but ones that are for just a few cents aren't really worth that much. Atm I have 28 vouches but only about 150$ in trades.

I think he means like if it was from photobucket, you can see their whole album including the accounts that they own.

Originally Posted by Gurtaton

Those are some pretty neat advice, but would require A LOT of time to do all the steps. What do you get by checking the properties?

A LOT of time... Sorry, I value doing legit trades and not being Scammed.. You can either take the time in the beginning or waste it filing a Scammer Report.. Your choice.

Image properties usually have Banned Member storage info.. Example, take a look at "Crispy" and you'll see how I connected the member to a banned account and then was able to connect the IPs. Right click each of the images in the member's GFX shop looking for "drakelong".. Members wanted the member banned and all it would've taken was a little research to see the member was an evader.

lol that does sound like alot of work.

i looked up myself to give it a try didnt come up with that much

think i found records of me comming 40th in a race in 2007 lol

also my old email only had about 10things most about a book idk what that was about lol

i would go with the total cash trades but it would still have to be atleast 5 decent vouches not just one

[ConJacKed *BANNED*]

Money handled. Nuff said.

I usually go with the amount of vouches. If a user has many vouches, then that means that the person has traded with numerous amounts of people and can be trusted in anyone's eyes.

It usually doesn't matter though because most people trust me enough to go second in a trade. The only time I go first in a trade is to people with more vouches (350+) or if they're a staff member.

[T3h Guru *BANNED*]

I would say number of vouches. It is much easier to have one person lie and post a huge vouch for you then it is to have many people lie and vouch for you.

[gergle2]

I'd say that a balance of cash and amount of vouches is the best bet.

[Quickz *BANNED*]

the guy who has more traded on sythe. because: he's dealth with more money so i guess he's more trusted.

[BaYBeeZ]

I would argue that you should actually be looking at three things when trading. Number of vouches, quality of vouches, and total amount traded.

A lot of times people can lie or exaggerate on the total amount being traded. For example, I could sell a Runescape account for $35 and the person I sold it to could hold on to it until they got a better offer from someone, sell it for $60 to make a profit. Same account, different prices, therefore rendering total amount on its own unreliable. (Reason being it would be ridiculous to call the $60 account trader more trusted than me simply because I sold the same account for less).

I definitely recommend looking into the vouches that a person has, and even so much as following them back into the original threads in which they were posted regardless of the number of vouches recorded.