Feel this thread should be stickied in the runescape general section

[tootell *BANNED*]

If it could stay active it would be a good thread to be stickied!

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1385432


Would be so helpful to people

[Laptop65]

Admitted it does perhaps reduce the number of threads that people make asking questions, but I don't think it should be stickied. It doesn't seem to be active enough to be a sticky. No support.

[sm321]

Originally Posted by Laptop65

Admitted it does perhaps reduce the number of threads that people make asking questions, but I don't think it should be stickied. It doesn't seem to be active enough to be a sticky. No support.

If it was stickied it would probably have more activity. Another idea could be 1 bug discussion thread, where you answer the post above you?

[Laptop65]

Originally Posted by sm321

If it was stickied it would probably have more activity. Another idea could be 1 bug discussion thread, where you answer the post above you?

Na, a bug discussion thread probably wouldn't be very popular either. I suppose it could be stickied for a week or two and see how it gets on.

[Zerkerfist]

If Delta agreed to stay on top of it and the other mods were OK with it, I may support this.

The number of threads created just to ask very simple, general questions about RuneScape can be a pain in the butt sometimes, and just end up cluttering the first page. It would be nice to have a sticky like the chaotic thread, where users can ask general questions and receive quick answers, rather than having to create their own thread.

[tootell *BANNED*]

Knew it would be a good idea :-)

[Cicak Mage *BANNED*]

No support, sorry. Even if it was stickied, the amount of questions asked wouldn't decrease by much and people would rather have more than one answer or side to a question so a dedicated thread to a question someone needs to find out is best.

I support it about the only place i post anymore otuside of lounge/spam forum.

[Wulfspade1]

No support, questions are a great form of discussion, why limit that? Besides, stickies are generally for more important things, I want the thread to remain as it is.

[Zerkerfist]

I got permission to sticky the thread for now and try it out. So far, I think it has been great at reducing a lot of general questions that don't really need their own thread.

We will try it out for a few weeks and see how it goes, and if it's getting enough use.

[CreativeNub]

Originally Posted by Wulfspade1

No support, questions are a great form of discussion, why limit that? Besides, stickies are generally for more important things, I want the thread to remain as it is.

I agree with you, however in the general runescape section there isn't that much of a discussion, a lot of people are just reposting other answers. Then again most people asking questions on the sections should L2google anyway.

[Wulfspade1]

Originally Posted by Zerkerfist

I got permission to sticky the thread for now and try it out. So far, I think it has been great at reducing a lot of general questions that don't really need their own thread.

We will try it out for a few weeks and see how it goes, and if it's getting enough use.

Here's the thing; I'm assuming the thread was already active, like with the "Where did [user] go" thread, it would be redundant to sticky it. The thread would already stay on the top, and would not increase/decrease the amount of users posting on it. Besides, stickies are generally for more important things. Sometimes these "general" questions create discussion, and that's encouraged in the RS2 section. Considering it has been stickied, what if Delta got some of his information wrong at times, or some sort of mistake? I'm not saying that it's terrible to do so, because he is doing it on his own time, but I think people would assume that the sticky is correct. This is why I don't think it should have been stickied.

Originally Posted by CreativeNub

I agree with you, however in the general runescape section there isn't that much of a discussion, a lot of people are just reposting other answers. Then again most people asking questions on the sections should L2google anyway.

I've personally seen threads that have a lot of discussion revolving around a question. Even if there aren't that many, why try to limit what we already have? I thought the whole thing was fine.

[Zerkerfist]

Originally Posted by Wulfspade1

Here's the thing; I'm assuming the thread was already active, like with the "Where did [user] go" thread, it would be redundant to sticky it. The thread would already stay on the top, and would not increase/decrease the amount of users posting on it. Besides, stickies are generally for more important things. Sometimes these "general" questions create discussion, and that's encouraged in the RS2 section. Considering it has been stickied, what if Delta got some of his information wrong at times, or some sort of mistake? I'm not saying that it's terrible to do so, because he is doing it on his own time, but I think people would assume that the sticky is correct. This is why I don't think it should have been stickied.

I agree that stickies are usually reserved for more important information, but other times they are used as a strategy to reduce the amount of clutter that pops up from people asking the same questions over and over again.

An example - the Chaotic weapons debate thread in RuneScape 2 General.

The chaotic thread is significantly less active, yet it still remains as a sticky in that section, and has successfully reduced the amount of threads popping up with the same old questions.

I am also completely in support of users wanting to discuss & debate topics and I encourage it fully. However, there are a ton of threads that are created regularly that do NOT require any sort of discussion. For example, "What level do you need to be to do X" or, "How many quest points do you need in order to do such and such a quest" etc. For this very reason, I have stickied Delta Squad's knowledge thread so that users can take those kinds of questions there for a quick answer, and because those types of threads very quickly turn into a spam fest where users are repeatedly offering the same answers in order to get a post in.

You can also argue that his responses may not always be accurate, but then again they aren't necessarily going to be accurate just because you post a separate thread either. For now the thread will remain stickied as a trial for a couple of weeks, unless one of the upper staff does not agree with me and wants it removed. In that time, I would encourage ALL USERS to visit the thread and help answer questions. Just because it is Delta's thread doesn't mean that he is the only person who can answer questions in there.

I would encourage anybody who wants to discuss general topics or answer general questions to participate in the thread. After a couple of weeks we will see where it is at and whether or not it should remain stickied

[CreativeNub]

Originally Posted by Wulfspade1

I've personally seen threads that have a lot of discussion revolving around a question. Even if there aren't that many, why try to limit what we already have? I thought the whole thing was fine.

Yeah it is. I think there should rather be a sticky encouraging people to google first. On threads were opinions are asked there obviously is discussion as not all people will share the same opinion, however there are a lot of simple questions asked, maybe they could go in this new sticky. I also think the sticky will result in less accurate answers, because not as many people will bother scrolling back for questions and giving answers to older questions will mess up the thread.

I don't think it will turn out as a succes, but hey, time will tell.

[Wulfspade1]

Originally Posted by Zerkerfist

I agree that stickies are usually reserved for more important information, but other times they are used as a strategy to reduce the amount of clutter that pops up from people asking the same questions over and over again.

An example - the Chaotic weapons debate thread in RuneScape 2 General.

The chaotic thread is significantly less active, yet it still remains as a sticky in that section, and has successfully reduced the amount of threads popping up with the same old questions.

Yeah, I know some stickies are used to reduce clutter. The thing is, Farcast's thread and Delta's thread are two different things. What's on the chaotic thread that Farcast made is factual, answers most of the questions they wanted to know, and there is no mistaken information. Now, the thread works well by allowing users to get the required information, and not restrict them. There can be new threads made about chaotic weapons (information that's not already on the sticky), and people will have a healthy discussion. Now this new thread is way too vague, you can't have discussions on it without it being too confusing, and there's a different between one subject, and everything on RS. With this implemented, many questions that could lead to wonderful discussions will now be shut down. I think it's too restricting to be used as a sticky on RS2.

I am also completely in support of users wanting to discuss & debate topics and I encourage it fully. However, there are a ton of threads that are created regularly that do NOT require any sort of discussion. For example, "What level do you need to be to do X" or, "How many quest points do you need in order to do such and such a quest" etc. For this very reason, I have stickied Delta Squad's knowledge thread so that users can take those kinds of questions there for a quick answer, and because those types of threads very quickly turn into a spam fest where users are repeatedly offering the same answers in order to get a post in.

The thing is, this could be doing more harm than good. It's true questions like that could be spammed easily, but it's also true that they could lead into great discussions. You're just assuming that those types of questions always will be answered quickly, and spammed. Sometimes, they could provide more discussion than a "thorough" question. Also, you have to take into consideration that people learn. If you infract someone once for spamming, I doubt that would be an incentive to do it again. This could make the RS2 section an even greater place for debates/discussions.

You can also argue that his responses may not always be accurate, but then again they aren't necessarily going to be accurate just because you post a separate thread either.

So, then what's the point? If there isn't going to be a guarantee that the answers will be always accurate, then why can't users make their own threads, and have the possibility of that bloom into a discussion?

For now the thread will remain stickied as a trial for a couple of weeks, unless one of the upper staff does not agree with me and wants it removed.

In that time, I would encourage ALL USERS to visit the thread and help answer questions. Just because it is Delta's thread doesn't mean that he is the only person who can answer questions in there.

Again, what's the difference between making a sticky that everyone can post in, and a thread that anyone can already post in?

For now the thread will remain stickied as a trial for a couple of weeks, unless one of the upper staff does not agree with me and wants it removed.

I would encourage anybody who wants to discuss general topics or answer general questions to participate in the thread. After a couple of weeks we will see where it is at and whether or not it should remain stickied

Some stickies that were supposed to be active turned out to be completely the opposite. Take into consideration that this sticky could turn into something like those "price check" stickies that were barely active. Then again, I could be wrong. I guess we'll just have to see until the end of the week.

Also, I'd like to say that I hope I'm not coming off as rude, I'm just trying to post my opinion. If I'm coming off harshly, I apologize.

[Jack Goff]

I don't think it should deserve a sticky, as by doing so it is simply condensing all of RS2General into one thread.

[Laptop65]

Let's just see what happens with the thread guys, you never know it could turn out to be quite useful. Although many people will still create their own threads for questions and such.

[Zerkerfist]

Originally Posted by Wulfspade1

Yeah, I know some stickies are used to reduce clutter. The thing is, Farcast's thread and Delta's thread are two different things. What's on the chaotic thread that Farcast made is factual, answers most of the questions they wanted to know, and there is no mistaken information. Now, the thread works well by allowing users to get the required information, and not restrict them. There can be new threads made about chaotic weapons (information that's not already on the sticky), and people will have a healthy discussion. Now this new thread is way too vague, you can't have discussions on it without it being too confusing, and there's a different between one subject, and everything on RS. With this implemented, many questions that could lead to wonderful discussions will now be shut down. I think it's too restricting to be used as a sticky on RS2.



The thing is, this could be doing more harm than good. It's true questions like that could be spammed easily, but it's also true that they could lead into great discussions. You're just assuming that those types of questions always will be answered quickly, and spammed. Sometimes, they could provide more discussion than a "thorough" question. Also, you have to take into consideration that people learn. If you infract someone once for spamming, I doubt that would be an incentive to do it again. This could make the RS2 section an even greater place for debates/discussions.



So, then what's the point? If there isn't going to be a guarantee that the answers will be always accurate, then why can't users make their own threads, and have the possibility of that bloom into a discussion?



Again, what's the difference between making a sticky that everyone can post in, and a thread that anyone can already post in?





Some stickies that were supposed to be active turned out to be completely the opposite. Take into consideration that this sticky could turn into something like those "price check" stickies that were barely active. Then again, I could be wrong. I guess we'll just have to see until the end of the week.

Also, I'd like to say that I hope I'm not coming off as rude, I'm just trying to post my opinion. If I'm coming off harshly, I apologize.

Listen Wulf, I just returned to this thread and saw this massive wall of text you have presented me with. As much as I appreciate the effort you put into your counter argument, I do not have the time right now to sit here and debate every single little point with you.

The fact remains that the thread is now stickied, and I would like it to remain that way for a little while as a trial. I have Ryan's permission, if the thread bombs then it can simply be unstickied at any point. If any of the upper staff don't like the idea then they can also come along and unsticky it.

The reason that I personally support the idea of it being a STICKY rather than just another thread floating around the first page, is because as a sticky it is pinned to the top of the page and is visible for ALL users to see when they open Runescape 2 General. My hopes is that this will be an effective measure in reducing the amount of spam & clutter that is created normally with the endless stream of general questions. If it doesn't work then so be it, I will remove it.

EDIT: I would just like to add that in no way do I want this to stifle the amount of creative threads and interesting discussions & debates in RS2 Gen. This is by far one of my favourite areas of the site, and it would be a real shame if users were denied the opportunity to discuss interesting topics and share their thoughts & opinions about certain issues. However, you cannot assume that every single question thread that is created will lead to an amazing discussion, as that is not reality. I know this for a fact because I end up closing many of them every day.

[Wulfspade1]

Originally Posted by Zerkerfist

Listen Wulf, I just returned to this thread and saw this massive wall of text you have presented me with. As much as I appreciate the effort you put into your counter argument, I do not have the time right now to sit here and debate every single little point with you.

The fact remains that the thread is now stickied, and I would like it to remain that way for a little while as a trial. I have Ryan's permission, if the thread bombs then it can simply be unstickied at any point. If any of the upper staff don't like the idea then they can also come along and unsticky it.

Alright, I guess. I'll just PM you a week later whether it's stickied or unstickied about this, so we can talk about more freely.

I would just like to add that in no way do I want this to stifle the amount of creative threads and interesting discussions & debates in RS2 Gen. This is by far one of my favourite areas of the site, and it would be a real shame if users were denied the opportunity to discuss interesting topics and share their thoughts & opinions about certain issues. However, you cannot assume that every single question thread that is created will lead to an amazing discussion, as that is not reality. I know this for a fact because I end up closing many of them every day.

It will surely bar at least a FEW discussions. You can't be too sure that your thread would work how you intended, as well.

The reason that I personally support the idea of it being a STICKY rather than just another thread floating around the first page, is because as a sticky it is pinned to the top of the page and is visible for ALL users to see when they open Runescape 2 General. My hopes is that this will be an effective measure in reducing the amount of spam & clutter that is created normally with the endless stream of general questions. If it doesn't work then so be it, I will remove it.

I've replied to all these points, feel free to read my post when you can, than.

Like I've said, I really hope I'm not being a douchebag. I just want what is for the betterment of this site. I'm sorry if I came off as rude or harsh, I didn't want to seem that way.

[Fendle]

I would support this but it needs to get much more active, no point having a thread up there when it doesn't get many posts on it. If it starts to pick up more then I will be supporting this, if not just keep it how it is.